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"Tesla Motors was founded in July 2003 by engineers Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning." -- 48,000+ employees. You don't have to cancel all of their work because of Musk. We'll still respect you.

I love Elon's push back on "the common wisdom" on COVID and his heavy focus on giving people their freedoms

With CA hospitals empty, new cases and deaths dropping, and now mid 70s weather in southern California this weekend... I'm curious what Californians will tolerate.

@cleverdevil That’s the thing that turned me off from anything he or his companies sell. I don’t want to support him in my meager little way.

I’ll be honest, James. I’m not going to engage with you on this one. Your viewpoint here is frankly terrifying and I’d appreciate you staying out of my mentions. ✌🏻

Tesla makes amazing cars! They’ve got a lot of smart people who work for them. But, man, Elon is a huge threat to all of them right now. If I were a Tesla employee I’d be raising hell or looking for a new job.

Same.

Sure. I won't comment further. I'm mystified about what is so terrifying given we've seen countries without government lockdowns like Sweden who are doing better than countries with lockdowns. I also don't understand strong avoidance of respectful opposing viewpoints from friends

Sweden's death rate is currently running above 12% and they set a daily high of new cases each day....is that really "doing better"?

I am genuinely asking, because you are not the first I've seen point to Sweden as an example of how removing lockdowns can work. I just don't really see from the available data that they are really doing any better than elsewhere.

That is unfortunate, I hadn’t heard about that until I just googled it 😔

But if the death rate per infection is higher in Sweden (which at 12%+ it is), then the real question is what are they doing to lower the infection rate per million people? If we know WHY their infection rate is lower, then maybe removing lockdown makes sense.

Kindly remove me from the thread, thanks :)

In that case you're being selective about the data, so why should I believe that things are really trending down for them? All we have right now is reported data, and there is no reason to suspect that Sweden is reporting a lower % of cases than the rest of the world.

If we’re counting states as countries, what is the deaths per million in California?

Why do you think hospitals are empty in California? And do you not agree that the point of the lockdown is to get everything in place so that we can prevent overwhelming the hospital system?

So I’m not understanding your point. 192 compared to 27, you think CA should be reopening?

People aren’t staying home from needed surgeries. That was reopened last week.

I have been watching the daily briefings from Gavin Newsom, LA County, and Eric Garcetti. They are being very measured watching the data and putting supports in place as data presents.

LA will actually be a little bit slower to open up as we are more populous and dense than other parts of California. Newsom has repeatedly talked about regional coordination within California.

So then maybe don’t comment about California if you haven’t been following it. People are scared bc it is scary. At this point we don’t know why younger people are dying from Covid-19. Once people know what they can do to prevent that, they’ll be more confident.

Yep. Gavin Newsom has been very clear about “Many parts, one body,” but also realizing people travel within California a lot. Basically a microcosm of the US. He is giving great state leadership while working with local leaders.

Just as an aside: deaths/million isn't a fair comp because cases began at different times in different places. That's like comparing miles run from Group A and Group G of the Peachtree Road Race halfway through.

Thanks for clarifying @robertcunningha

You said CA hospitals are empty etc...

Deaths aren’t dropping in CA or Los Angeles. They are either steady or increasing.

I agree that death rate is probably inaccurate. But there is no reason to believe Sweden is missing more cases than anywhere else. It seems logical that most places are missing cases by the same proportion, which means that death rate from one place to another IS informative.

Also, globally “young people” meaning under 65, are dying at a much lower rate than those over 65, however they are getting hospitalized and seriously ill at higher rates than I’m comfortable with risking.

Also, I haven’t been able to find the data, but I believe the US is seeing more hospitalizations of young people than expected. I’ll keep looking for the facts. So there is a logical reason to be nervous about exposure to germs in public including health offices.

Locally, LA is doing a great job ramping up testing, but we are not in a place to contain when cases increase upon reopening, which they will. And in populous cities that is important bc of so many shares surfaces and spaces.

Although you could point to South Georgia for an argument to have containment strategies ready before reopening as well. A seemingly rural area had huge incidence and Rnaught.