@cleverdevil Safari 15 is great 😀👍

@cleverdevil I've been a big fan of Safari since forever, but the only thing that would improve Safari 15 on macOS is to revert it, in its entirety, to Safari 14 on macOS. 😘.. The thing that finally fixed it for me was to switch to Vivaldi (that's how much I hate Safari 15).

@jack I see that a lot. Is it just the tab interface change? Or is there something else you don't like?
I am not a fan of the new tab style either, but I think that they'll backpedal on it over time. The sidebar, tab groups, and other changes make it overall a win for me.

@cleverdevil @jack I miss real extensions instead of the new app/plugin/whatever crap it currently is. I’m probably going to switch my Macs all to Firefox soon.

@jack what’s so bad about version 15?

@cleverdevil It's just the tabs. I'm still reeling from that 1st iteration and the subsequent ones haven't made me feel much better. Fingers crossed, though.

@sgtstretch One happy side effect of switching to Vivaldi is that it opened up the opportunity to use real extensions. They can be darn handy.

@cleverdevil I'm with you there. It's nice but those tabs do look goofy.

I haven’t used it much outside of iPhone yet, but honestly I like it. Bottom centered layouts are much better with the way that we use phones nowadays.

I concur. The iPhone is the spot that I have had the most difficulty adapting, but it makes complete sense. I just need to retrain my muscle memory. The tab interface definitely sucks though. I think people are focused exclusively on that rather than seeing the other benefits.

@jack totally fair. The first iteration was hot garbage. For me, tab groups made a massive improvement. I have many tabs across many projects / threads. I can now be more organized. I have replaced my Reading List use with a tab group called "Inbox" for example.

@frostedechoes yeah, I think they'll continue to walk it back. The biggest quality of life issue I have with them is the "active tab" is very poorly indicated. Just solving that would turn it into an entirely aesthetic issue for me.

@jack if I'm out with my phone and I see a link on Twitter that I want to review, I can toss it into the "Inbox" group, or file it directly into the relevant group if I have time. I move between my MacBook Pro and my iPad Pro throughout the day, and now my browsing is in sync.

@cleverdevil Sounds like a good setup. As someone who rarely allows more than a half-dozen tabs at once, I don't get as much value from tab groups. :)

@cleverdevil I agree! On iOS it's fantastic; I'm still replacing the muscle memory of having the tab bar at the bottom, but it really does help make pages feel app-like. iPadOS is waiting until I get a Pro next week. On macOS I switched back to the Separate Tabs, but I genuinely love the window chrome adapting to the page color. It brings a vibrancy to pages that I wasn't expecting

@tcannonfodder @cleverdevil I actually really enjoy the bottom tab bar on iOS, to the point where I wish it was on iPadOS too for when I’m using it in tablet mode so I don’t have to reach up to the address bar. Agreed about the vibrancy of the colour shifting, though who knows if at some point I’ll choose to disable it if it becomes distracting.
I really like the idea of having a tab group inbox to throw things in for later. Gonna have to steal this one… 😉

@tcannonfodder yeah on iPad and macOS my only major issue is that the tabs don’t look like tabs. I disabled the combined/unified thing on day one, so don’t really care about that too much.

@pimoore Setting up categorical inboxes is great too, my current setup is: - local tabs for ephemeral stuff - Work Research - Reference for tabs I back to all the time (recipes) - Social Media - Kira photos from Daycamp - Art